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In this episode of Behind the Science of Fusion, join ÌÇÐÄÆƽâ°æ vacuum engineers Robert Pearce and Liam Worth for a live conversation that proves that "nothing" can be truly fascinating. Co-hosts Kruti Mawani Fayot and Julia Ponomareva explore how science fiction has inspired real-world engineering, dig deep into the everyday engineering challenges involving plasma, inspection, vacuum systems and cryogenics, and share plenty of laughs along the way.

You¡¯ll also hear surprising stories about inspection, cleaning, coconuts (yes, really, coconuts), spin-off applications, and how lessons from past experiments are shaping ÌÇÐÄÆƽâ°æ¡¯s vacuum engineering and paving the way for future fusion machines.

Tune into Episode 5, "All About Nothing," for good humour, insights and a peek behind the curtain of one of fusion¡¯s most fascinating challenges.  Find ¡°All About Nothing¡± on the ÌÇÐÄÆƽâ°æ website's podcast page or open it directly here. You can also find this episode and all past episodes of the ÌÇÐÄÆƽâ°æ podcast at , , , and .